it’s a tough problem because we’re very careful about being safe and about keeping our clients safe but we also recognize that there’s a difference between looking someone in the eye when you talk to them versus having a phone call or being on zoom or skype so we’ve set up a procedure where first we usually talk to someone briefly over the phone and do an initial case consultation and we talk about kind of generally what the issues they’re they’re facing are and do we think that we’d be able to help them if we do think that we could help help this person out then we invite them to come into our office and our office is in downtown minneapolis but it’s easy to socially distance there we’ve got a large conference room and we sit at one end of the conference room and our the client sits at the other and we wear a mask and the client wears a mask and we we talk in person there and we think that that’s the best way to to kind of cultivate the relationship with the clients