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my mentor
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in the law it was a man who at one time
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was the most famous lawyer in america
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i’m afraid the memory of his great
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victories and
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his talents is fading from public view
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but his name was richard haynes he was
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known as racehorse haines
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and he was a great criminal lawyer i
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learned
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several things from richard but let me
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share a
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an experience i had with him that tells
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you what the most important lesson i
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learned from him
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we tried a case together down in
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beaumont texas in federal court
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where the government had the audacity to
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accuse
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our clients of committing federal uh
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federal crimes
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they were ship builders and they had
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these
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massive very large uh uh
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midstream fuelers they go out in the
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middle of the
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gulf coast they refuel a very large
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cargo carrier
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vlcc it’s called and the government had
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the temerity to say that we had designed
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it
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so that we could drain back 15 of the
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of the diesel fuel that we had just
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pumped out
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well i took great offense at that so did
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racehorse he had one brother
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i had the other i had the brother-in-law
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who was the ship designer
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and they put on an expert the expert was
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another ship builder who talked about
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the coast guard regulations that
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he felt we he was their expert that that
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our guys had violated
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and i cross-examined him and i did okay
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and then racehorse cross-examined him
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and the questions
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and the and the answers took on a
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resonance that you would
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you’d associate with great music great
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symphonies
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so that night i went to racehorse’s room
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i knocked on the door and
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there he was as usual every night he
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would
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he would uh he would read the classics
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mostly cicero who was the first
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defense lawyer and i said racehorse you
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got to tell me
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i want to get better i want to be as
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good as you now he was about
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15 years older than i was and
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he said well you did fine he was always
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gracious sucking on a pipe
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and i said no i’m not kidding today
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showed me something what did i do wrong
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and he said well i don’t think you were
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listening to the answers during
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cross-examination
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and this is a lesson that every young
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lawyer should learn
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learn from when if you’re watching this
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video
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he said you got an admission from
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from the witness that he himself had
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violated coast guard
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regulations and you didn’t hear it
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well he said i didn’t hear the answer i
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heard him say
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it’s not too late for you to get into
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pipe fitting
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so racehorse taught me
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listen more carefully to those answers
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and from that point on
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every answer that i got became a
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springboard to another question
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it enhanced my skill as a cross-examiner
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which is at the heart of being a trial
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lawyer
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a thousand-fold
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what experience do i have that made me a
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trial lawyer
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very little to do with law school it was
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high school debate
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and selling carpet with my brother in
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high school debate i learned
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to become skeptical about everything and
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to look at the source of
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everything you rely on and be able to
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tie whatever
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bald statement you’re going to make to
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evidence to back it up
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and in fact we were on the i was at
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bellar high school in houston we won the
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national sweepstakes
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in 1960 my brother
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and i would go out he and my he and my
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father were in the carpet business
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and we’d go into people’s homes and i
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listened
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to how alan sold he’d never walk away
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almost
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never walked away without a sail as
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opposed to dad who was sort of a high
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pressure salesman
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alan would take his time whatever time
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it took
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and he’d hear the objections uh to the
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to whatever the sa
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whatever the the potential customer had
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uh the carpet is too high it costs too
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much
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well let’s talk about that mr johnson
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why don’t we i mean you’re smoking if
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you gave up cigarettes wouldn’t you you
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know
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that would save you a certain amount of
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money and you’d be able to apply it
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toward the cost of the carpet
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and what i learned was pull the teeth
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on the worst arguments you face the
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harshest arguments you face
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don’t hide them under a rug the heart of
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persuasion which you know i’ve written
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about a great deal
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i’ve written a book with a second
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edition on
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on trial skills and what i learned was
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admit what your weakness is because that
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shows you have a strong case
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and a belief in your case and that’s
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where i learned from my brother allen
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and from
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miss molly who was the tyrant debate coach

Houston, TX commercial litigation attorney David Berg talks about his mentor in the practice of law as well as his background & experience. He explains that his mentor in the law was Richard Haynes, known to the world as Racehorse Haynes. Once considered the most famous lawyer in America, his legacy and victories are fading from public memory, but to him, Racehorse was a towering figure in criminal law. He learned many lessons from Haynes, but one experience stands out as the most important.

They tried a case together in federal court in Beaumont, Texas, defending shipbuilders accused of federal crimes. The government claimed their clients had designed massive midstream fuelers so that 15 percent of diesel fuel could be drained back after pumping it out—a claim both he and Haynes found offensive. The defense called an expert witness who testified that Coast Guard regulations had been violated. He cross-examined the witness adequately, but when Racehorse took over, the exchange reached a level of precision and resonance he would later compare to a great symphony.

That evening, he went to Racehorse’s room. Haynes, as usual, was reading the classics—mostly Cicero. He admitted that he wanted to improve and asked what he had done wrong. Racehorse, ever gracious, explained that he hadn’t truly listened during cross-examination. The witness had admitted to violating Coast Guard regulations, but he had missed it entirely. From that point on, he learned to treat every answer as a springboard for another question—a lesson that enhanced his skill as a cross-examiner, the core of a trial lawyer’s craft.

He traces the roots of his trial skills not to law school but to high school debate and selling carpets with his brother. In debate, he learned to be skeptical, to examine sources, and to back every claim with evidence. At Bellaire High School in Houston, he and his brother won the national sweepstakes in 1960.

In the carpet business, he observed his brother Alan’s methodical approach. Unlike their father, a high-pressure salesman, Alan patiently listened to objections and addressed them thoughtfully, turning objections into opportunities. He learned to confront the harshest arguments openly, rather than hide them. This became the heart of persuasion in his legal career. By admitting weaknesses and addressing them head-on, he demonstrated the strength of his case—a lesson he attributes to both his brother Alan and his formidable debate coach, Miss Molly.

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