I stay very busy and I think I tend to combine things together. My freshman year in college here in Winona in 1973 I started a Japanese karate class. And at that time, a man had come here who was a professor who was a student of the Japanese national champion. And when I graduated from college, I went out to Los Angeles and lived with my sensei, the Japanese master, for a year. And he’s still my teacher. I’m in my 43rd year, I guess of practicing that style of Japanese karate and have expanded into other associated Japanese marital arts.

I’m president of a corporation, which owns a school here we operate it as a nonprofit educational institution. We operate a full time school. We operate programs at Winona State and the Winona YMCA. And so both my own training and teaching I spend a lot of time on that.

The other significant activity and when I talk about combining things I’m longtime board member and recently past president of the local animal shelter and have done a lot of work outside of the legal and administrative work there working individually with dogs. And oftentimes, I combine those things my physical training because I would take dogs from the shelter and work them trail running and doing a lot of the physical activities that I do.

So I guess I mix a lot of a little of the law, a little bit of administration, and a little bit of athletics into all those things.